Sunday, February 05, 2006

The Housing Bubble And The Employment Effect

Readers want to discuss the housing bubble and the jobs impact. "I wanted to suggest a topic: I want to get into the details of the last SoCal collapse that has (to date) been blamed on the Aerospace industry collapse." "Is there a job loss scenario for SoCal that mirrors 1990? There have be oblique references to losses in the mortgage, banking and construction industries that seem to be the most likely candidates, but I also have an example that occured to me through personal experience." "I have a relative in Atlanta that has been working in the mortgage industry for the last five years. He owns a condo, but has been also been buying and flipping properties. He knows appraisers who will appraise for 'whatever he wants,' he can arrange for them to get the loan, and walk them through the application so that they don't 'hit any snags.' I am a lawyer and advised him this is really a bad idea, filled with conflicts of interest and possible fraud, but he advised me that this is standard operating procedure." "This seems to me a very overlooked area of froth (as a shout out to the departing Mr. Greenspan) which might account for some uncertainty in possible housing devaluation." Another reader asks, "How about a job loss update? We all know about Ford and GM. How about other recent announcements? Jobs are the glue that holds it all together." And another, "I, too, am interested in job loss scenarios for SoCal. A few years ago Big Pharmaceutical got hit pretty hard, though I'm not sure what the real cause was. It might have had something to do with the dot com bust and the Nasdaq decline generally. I know of one chemist who was laid off at that time and only recently got a 'real' job again, at Genentech in San Francisco." "I'd be curious to know why the downturn in Big Pharm, and could it happen again. After all, they are not profitless tech startups. A big slump in pharm would have a huge effect on the northern bay area and San Diego, if so." "I'm not sure what the big employment drivers are in the LA area, to be honest. There are a number of smallish tech startups. There is also the movie industry. The major studios are already asking big stars to take pay cuts and they are planning on putting out less product for the next few years." "In my area, much is made of the fact that The O.C. is filmed in Manhattan Beach. Big deal; one friggin TV show. Yet an unbelievable amount of froth has been generated around it. I am only half-joking when I say that the local economy here consists of selling real estate to each other and teaching each other yoga."

2 comments:

  1. getstucco:

    1) What % of new jobs created in the US private sector since 2000 were directly or indirectly due to the housing bubble?

    A recent article stated that 45% of all US jobs created since 2001 were directly related to RE -- construction, realtors & mortgage brokers. Of course, that doesn't include Wall Street MBS packagers, construction material suppliers, new appliance manufacturers & retailers, etc.

    Keep in mind that 33% of all jobs created since 2001 have been in government, too.

    1) What portion of the above will disappear as the air leaves the balloon (and I personally would not assume the percentage will be capped at 100%)?

    125+% IMHO. I fully expect direct RE-related employment to drop significantly below 2000 levels, and those that do hang on will see their incomes cut in half.

    Indirect? Who knows, but it'll be bad, very bad.

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  2. Regards HomeDeopt and
    Take a walk through Home Depot, and you can already see the slowdown. HD's are starting to look like K Mart did in the early 90's. Run down, unkept, understaffed, etc.

    This started the week after Thanksgiving. Home Depot is try to shift its' balance sheet away from a growth model. It's really pathetic, they don't carry hardware as such anymore as much as they are a lifestyle center. They have stocked their shelves with the really high profit margin items and only keep enough hedge trimmers and hacksaws to keep up appearances. Even those are way overpriced. Luckily I live in Camarillo, California. Home to Harbor Freight and Tools. When the Chicomms start to tighten the screws I'll see it first with the shelf prices there.

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