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Monday, January 30, 2006
Taking The Ride In The Housing Bubble Boat
More reports on the housing bubble in California. "About one in every 75 residents in the state holds a license to transact sales, according to the California Department of Real Estate. As of November, the total was 471,818 licensed professionals, historically, the average is roughly 300,000, and that tally is believed to have approached 500,000 already this year. 'This is the highest number ever,' confirms Tom Pool of the Depart. of Real Estate. 'Every month we're setting a new record.'"
"An increase in interest rates, however, is expected to drive down sales volume in California by about 2 percent this year, according to CAR. 'We are anticipating a shakeout in the industry in the next few years,' says C.A.R. economist Leslie Appleton-Young. 'There just aren't enough homes to sell in California.'"
From the LA Times. "David Yates didn't know whether he'd buy this particular boat, which had a list price of $21,000, but he was pretty sure of one thing: He wouldn't be at the Los Angeles Boat Show if not for the housing market. 'We couldn't have afforded to come here before, but now that my house has doubled in value, we have an opportunity to take out a second mortgage,' said the 48-year-old Burbank resident, who is a manager for a cabinet manufacturer. 'At least we're in reach of being able to buy a boat.'"
"Though some economists worry that too many people are overextending themselves, the boating industry considers itself lucky that business is humming despite high gasoline prices. 'A lot of people are taking money out of their homes and buying different things, and one of them, fortunately, is boats,' said Dave Geoffroy, executive director of the marine association."
"To be sure, some dealers worry that boat sales could fall if real estate values drop, which happened in the early 1990s. 'I'm moderately concerned,' said Michael Basso Jr., (who) sells family boats and has locations in Castaic, Dana Point and Ontario. He noted that half his buyers last year paid in cash, often from money they pulled out of their homes."
From the Alameda Times Star. "Inventory has generally increased in the Bay Area from a year ago. Fueled by rising interest rates and more homes on the market, the slowdown in home sales started last spring. The slide has continued for nine months, with December sales down 15.5 percent from a year earlier."
"'What I'm finding now is (buyers and sellers) have to take a much closer look at the dynamics and psychology of the local market than during 2003 and 2004 (and early 2005). That's when sellers held the cards,' said Steve Dhillon, a realtor in Fremont. 'There is definitely more negotiation. The buyers don't see the urgency. Pricing has to be very competitive. Now you have to pull out additional things like staging a home.'"
"'Buyers are looking for a deal. It does not necessarily mean there are any deals out there,' (agent) David Kerr said."
""A year ago, Cynathya Mouton wouldn't have thought about putting her Union City house on the market, a time when the market was soaring. Now, she is. The reason she is considering selling: The red-hot real estate market of a year ago is cooling off."
"'Timing is a factor," said Mouton, 39, who paid $220,000 for her four-bedroom home in 1996. 'I think (the market) has reached its peak. I've taken the ride. I'd like to take what I have. I'm a little bit nervous about what can happen in the next few months.'"
xicote,
ReplyDeleteThat lady isn't an economist, she's a verbal acrobat.
"About one in every 75 residents in the state holds a license to transact sales, according to the California Department of Real Estate. As of November, the total was 471,818 licensed professionals, historically, the average is roughly 300,000, and that tally is believed to have approached 500,000 already this year. 'This is the highest number ever,' confirms Tom Pool of the Depart. of Real Estate. 'Every month we're setting a new record.'"
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Since there are 26 million adults in California, that makes it almost 1 in 50 who are licensed to sell real estate.
1 in 50 adults.
It's no joke the state's economy is/was dependent on everyone selling houses to one another.
'We couldn't have afforded to come here before, but now that my house has doubled in value, we have an opportunity to take out a second mortgage,' said the 48-year-old Burbank resident, who is a manager for a cabinet manufacturer. 'At least we're in reach of being able to buy a boat.'
ReplyDeleteWhat a moron- He says he couldn't afford a boat before, but now that he can go into debt even further with a 2nd mort he is now in reach of being able to buy a boat.
Some won't satisfied until they spend every last drop of home equity they can squeeze out. I will have no sympathy for this idiot and other doing the same when it all comes crashing down.
Let the foreclosures begin.
but now that my house has doubled in value, we have an opportunity to take out a second mortgage,
ReplyDeleteSince when was taking out a second mortgage ever seen as an opportunity?!
Cramer's 'Mad Money' Recap: 'Hi-Yo Silver!'
ReplyDeleteup almost 5% in after hours trading.
Jeffolie is right, LA hopefuls.
ReplyDeletePlease look at LA data from Housing Tracker
What makes you believe that things are still high? Is it the list prices? Look at the things that actually have sold. They are less than before. More downward trend most likely will continue.
"'Timing is a factor," said Mouton, 39, who paid $220,000 for her four-bedroom home in 1996. 'I think (the market) has reached its peak. I've taken the ride. I'd like to take what I have. I'm a little bit nervous about what can happen in the next few months.'"
ReplyDeleteYes, timing is a factor. Too bad, you missed the peak by five months! However, you are right that you should be nervous about what will happen in the near future.
In LA - predictions?
ReplyDeleteHow about 50% down in 4.5 years?
Ben was quoting this earlier today:
"Michael Youngblood, of Friedman, Billings, Ramsey Group Inc., has been tracking the U.S. home market for several years and forecasts steep declines in housing prices if the economy recedes over the next year. 'We expect median existing home prices to fall over 18 quarters by an average of 19.9 percent, ranging from 49.3 percent (Los Angeles) to 0.3 percent (Port St. Lucie),' he wrote in a recent report about what would happen to the most torrid markets during a sustained slowdown."
sfv_hopeful said...
ReplyDeleteLong-time reader, first-time poster. Is it just me? Or does anyone else notice that at least here in LA, things just don't seem to be going down.
Of course not, LA's different.
Spucky said...
ReplyDeleteEvery time I read or hear about someone "taking cash out" or "withdrawing cash" from their home, I don't know if I should laugh, cry or barf.
Why do people believe there is "cash" sitting there waiting to be taken? Don't they understand its a loan? How can they be so stupid?
If one sells a house and then gets a check for over and above what is owed, then that is equity. Otherwise, its pie in the sky and the road to ruin.
Didn't you get the memo about the new paradigm? Real estate only goes up, therefore you can always sell and those pesky old loans will just go away. It's free money. Happy sailing. ;-)
For GMAC Real Estate Franchise Operations, 2005 Was One for the Record Books
ReplyDeleteConference to measure Asia's influence on San Diego real estate
happy renter: There is a pro and con to the newer readers.
ReplyDeletePro: More people believe in the bubble. Yay.
Con: Overwhelming number of comments to read (just like on Fark.com -- I don't know how those people do it.
Sonny Crockett? Give me a break, this is SoCal.
ReplyDeleteIt's Quincy!
hey ben, can we have one "weekend" topic tomorrow? maybe one each day?
ReplyDeletehappy renter...
ReplyDeleteMore people is good...as long as find their way over to my blog too!
;)
SoCalMtgGuy
Another F@CKED Borrower
Hi Everyone,
ReplyDeleteThere ARE a lot of new people on this blog. Welcome to all. Glad you could join us here with Ben as we watch the RE market have a "soft landing"...
A few things.
1. The RE industry is doing what they should be doing. It is called, "PAINTING THE TURD!"
2. Everyone should realize that the real estate market is NOT the stock market and this entire process will take a few years/months to play out. Last February on this same blog we were all debating IF a bubble existed. (Of course, we all thought that it existed and were looking for it to pop.) NOW, we KNOW that a bubble exists and is popping! Everybody in LA. Relax and wait for it. (Or, if you are a flipper, NOW is the time to PANIC!) Prices are always sticky on the way down, but they will go down.
Doesn't anyone remember last May? I do. That was when EVERY house or condo that was for sale got MULTIPLE offers and PRICE ESCALATIONS. I haven't heard anyone mention those in a few months. What happened to them?
Now we have houses sitting for months on the market.
Have patience.
Peace.
Keep up the good work.
Eric in DC
I beleive there is a resistance level in prices in each area for SFR and condos
ReplyDeleteIn venture county(CA), specifically newbury park all SFR are hesitant to come below 600K. I saw listings on ziprealty where house listed since Jun05, 699K and reduced 10K in Nov and is still listed.
Same is the case for condos. all listed between 400 and 500.
One who breaks down and lists below is the one creates a flood of reduced listings in my opinion!
I continue to be astounded as to how people lose all sense of the difference between money and credit.
ReplyDeleteThe house is now viewed as a cash machine. With people taking out such loans, are they in a sense betting on a massive monetary inflation so they can pay loans back with cheaper dollars later? With so much excess easy credit sloshing around out there, ready to be defaulted upon, is that the wrong bet?
sfv_hopeful, I am not seeing truly persistent signs of weakness or anxiety in the home market in my area yet (south bay). Hard to say exactly what is happening. Shorewood says sales "took a holiday" in December, however December 2004 was also down YOY to December 2003 but came roaring back in 2005. This has been a tough, tough market to read.
I vividly remember late 1989, early 1990, and seeing tons of For Sale signs on the lawns of homes where I was living at the time (Lomita, south of Torrance). In 1990 I was too clueless to realize I was witnessing the start of a housing market downturn. It'll be interesting to see what develops in the Spring.
That Centex Fusion project still looks like it is going like gangbusters. We've already seen news stories about buyers trying to back out of deals with builders once it is apparent that home values are dropping. Wonder if that will happen at Fusion.
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