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Monday, January 23, 2006
For Some, Second Home 'Badge' A 'Hassle'
The Christian Science Monitor looks at second homes. "Sales of vacation homes have surged in the past few years, accounting for 13 percent of all homes purchased in 2004. Some owners buy a second home as an investment. Others use it as a badge to proclaim status. 'Some people buy second homes for what we call 'badging,' says Patricia Breman, a consultant for a market research firm. 'It's a way of saying 'I've arrived, I'm successful, I can afford to do this.'"
"Whatever the reason for the second address, owners acknowledge that maintaining two places brings challenges. Last year, to maximize the time they could spend at their cabin, Deva and Stan Taffel sold their house and moved to an apartment in Sherman Oaks, Calif. 'It was a means to make the whole second-home lifestyle more enjoyable,' she says. 'When we owned our house, my husband would say, 'Do you want to go to the cabin this weekend?' I'd look at my garden and say, 'I can't.' You don't want to be tied to the place you're trying to get away from.'"
"Susan Newman, who commutes between two houses in New Jersey, also describes the routine as hard work. Beyond that there is the transition between houses, leaving one life for another life. 'You just don't walk into one place and settle down immediately,' she says. As an author, Newman can work in both places. But, she says, 'You don't always have to go. You can say no. You don't want to be a prisoner of your second home. It's an inanimate object. You don't want it to be running your life.'"
"Asked about the worst aspects of owning a second home, one-third of survey respondents listed maintenance, repairs, and upkeep. Fifteen percent cited taxes as the biggest drawback. For others, like Scott Testa of Blue Bell, Pa., the best solution is to sell. For 10 years he and his wife have owned a vacation house on the New Jersey shore, two hours from their home in suburban Philadelphia. They spend three or four weeks a year there."
"'The thrill has worn off,' he says. 'We have found that it's more hassle than it's worth. Stuff breaks. You have renters. It's a responsibility.' He feels obligated to use the vacation home when it is not rented, but adds, 'I want to go to other parts of the country and the world, and not be obligated to go to one house.' The couple is considering selling both houses and buying a larger primary home."
IMO most of these people are speculating. If home prices had been flat the last few years, how many would be doing this?
ReplyDeleteAs Peter Schiff pointed out, it would be much cheaper to rent a room or house when one goes skiing, or to Florida.
When the NAR first announced that 13% of sales in 2004 were for vacation and 25% were 'investors', they were a little shocked. But they quickly regrouped under the position that everything is different now. That's when Lehreah starting talking about September 11th changing everything.
ReplyDeleteThe bigger danger is that as the reality of flat or declining prices sets in, these second homes will become a hidden inventory and further drag down prices. The speculators are already heading for the exits. Many of these vacation homeowners will be next.
It would be interesting to read about people who live and work in "vacation" towns and how they've been affected by the bubble.
ReplyDeleteI suppose my husband and I are two of those people. We got rid of our LA place several years back and rented a place in LA and a place in Sonoma for the last 6 years. I'm from San Francisco and my entire(extended) family lives here in Sonoma now.
Last year after spending most of our time in Sonoma,we dropped the LA place and moved full time up north. Our work (we're screenwriters) allows us to live anywhere and I couldn't think of a better place than Sonoma as we both love small town life and have many friends here. That said, about RE it is simply insane here. We rent an old farmhouse on 5 acres that would most likely sell for 3 mil. ..we get it for 1800.00 a month. Renting up here right now is the only sensible thing to do. The days when one could buy a cheap house are over.Flippers have made RE prices here crazy and have also done a lot to destablize the community in a number of ways. Pushing out natives and bringing in a lot of touristy type, up-scale stores.The house or rather "property" next to us is a monster house. Fortunately it's hidden in trees. The owner put in a vineyard around his place a couple of years ago and gates and an alarm system of course?!. I've never seen the people who own the place though they've owned it for about 5 years, as they live in Chicago and only spend TWO WEEKS A YEAR!!! here. All this while people I've known most of my life can't buy houses where they grew up. There are many benefits coming home to northern Ca from LA. Many things are cheaper, by comparison..food, car insurance, phone bills (without the LA city taxes) even rents. Owning a house however ..no. Real estate prices here no longer track with what people who work here in Sonoma earn.We very much want to buy a house here and I could kick myself for not having done it years ago, but for me a house has always been where I live and not an investment. I never even thught about having a second home, as I felt I could only live one place at a time and there I was in LA. I know what the houses here are worth, or rather should be worth,what they've sold for over the years and there's no way I'm paying some insane inflated top of the market price.
There was some shake out in prices when the dot com bubble popped and a lot of SV money went away. People sold their 2nd homes, and we got our lucky rental. Just when we thought, ok, now it';s sinking we can buy, all of a sudden there was all this other money. I realize now it was speculative money. Some houses seemed to change hands every three months or so, going up rapidly hundreds of thousands of dollars over the last three or four years. I'm hoping this is finally it. When the CC bills and ARMs and I/Os and all the rest of the crap that has allowed this nonsense to flourish hits home I'm expecting the idiots that have overextended themselves to crash and burn, and then in time we'll buy.To live in a tourist town can be great, mainly because of what draws the tourists which is the beauty of the land, I'd just like to see more people able to own places where they live and workfull time.
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ReplyDeleteSki towns/vacation towns in Vermont are going through changes as you describe in Sonoma. Even non-tourist towns are seeing it, too.
Though I very much doubt affordability has hit the absurdly low level of Sonoma County (I don't know where it is lower) - where only 7% of residents are theoretically (traditional metrics) able to buy!
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ReplyDeleteThough I very much doubt affordability has hit the absurdly low level of Sonoma County (I don't know where it is lower) - where only 7% of residents are theoretically (traditional metrics) able to buy!
ReplyDeleteThat's very true. The main employers in Sonoma are the State Hospital, HP (which is laying off) and agricultural and service industy jobs..that is unless one is growing herb up in the northern reaches of the county. It's extremely hard to afford an overpriced KB house on a service industry salary, it leads to things around here on the verge of getting downright feudal.
vsinvestor,
ReplyDeleteI agree. My family had a lakehouse that was great fun. Adding up the costs; it was expensive and terrible from an investment standpoint. But we wouldn't have traded it for anything.
So called vacation homes are at record numbers. IMO, many of these folks have these places because they believe the price will increase.
So many people will run for the exits I believe. I know one guy who bought a house early last year. My coworker and I sold late in the year, and he was worried about our actions. He seriously wondered if he should sell too.
ReplyDeleteI think this guy lost a lot during the dot com bust too because he should be retired by now.
Anyway, my point is he is your average primary resident home buyer. Just the thought of some declining value already had him thinking about selling. This is the super hidden inventory: owners expecting a "low risk" investment.
To counter this, there are two other home owners here that will definitely not sell. One knows it will crash, but he doesn't care. The other one hopes everything will be fine. They both bought long enough ago that their risk is lower.
as a kid we always vacationed in Lake County just north of Sonoma. My dad was a San Francisco fireman and he usually got two or three weeks vacation. We always rented a cabin, the same cabin every summer. We loved it. My parents once were offered the oportunity to buy a summer place up there when I was about 10 years old,in the 60's, I think the price was something like 3k. They thought about it and decided it would be too expensive, with doctor bills and kids in Catholic school it took them 30 years to pay off their 10k dollar row house in the Sunset District.
ReplyDeleteI always wished they'd bought it, but they knew best and they've always been smart about money
vainvestor said:
ReplyDelete"I now find myself in the lucky position of having a waterfront farm (sorry Lingus, I mean non-farm)."
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Thankfully, your investing is occurring outside Vermont.
And perhaps you wonder why natives in the area of your "farm" could dislike you?
Funny, it doesn't say anything below about "equity nomads invading a former rural area and ruining a way of life - and keeping the name 'farm'."
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farm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (färm)
n.
A tract of land cultivated for the purpose of agricultural production.
A tract of land devoted to the raising and breeding of domestic animals.
An area of water devoted to the raising, breeding, or production of a specific aquatic animal: a trout farm; an oyster farm.
An area of land devoted to the storage of a commodity or the emplacement of a group of devices: a tank farm; an antenna farm.
Baseball. A minor-league club affiliated with a major-league club for the training of recruits and the maintenance of temporarily unneeded players.
You're very welcome!
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